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They spent the night in a basement with Poles who did not know they were Jews. In Czestochowa they encountered Soviet soldiers abusing German soldiers. From there, they continued on foot to his hometown Radomsko, Poland. On the way they witnessed the execution of a German soldier by Soviet soldiers in the forest. They later returned to Czestochowa on a Soviet military truck. Upon their returned, they found a house set up by Lunka and Natka [Glazer], where  Antek Yitzhak Zuckerman, Moshe Laufer and Israel Schakler [Israel Schakler - Glazer - killed in a car accident in 1970] also arrived. 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