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âgée.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=3.0,15.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors les Israélites français, la plupart, sauf les jeunes des éclaireurs, mais la plupart ont été dans la résistance française.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=15.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ils avaient fait leur service militaire, ils avaient-ils avaient un.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=24.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Au fond, ils étaient-ils tenaient encore au judaïsme par la synagogue, enfin parce qu'on a des principes religieux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=29.0,38.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc pour faire une armée juive, il fallait trouver des jeunes, mais il fallait les choisir un à un.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=38.0,45.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors tout ça, c'est assez long à se mettre en place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=45.0,48.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il faut trouver de l'argent, il faut trouver des armes, il faut trouver tout un 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c'est-à-dire des actions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=242.0,256.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eRachel Cheigam:\u003c/strong\u003e Écoutez, j'allais justement vous parler de la troisième forme de l'action militaire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=256.0,264.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y avait les corps francs des villes, donc à Toulouse, à Paris et à 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méfiait pas beaucoup, parce que il y avait beaucoup de Juifs, évidemment d'origine russe, avec qui jouaient aux cartes, et beaucoup ont sont tombés à cause de ces gens-là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=374.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eIntervieweur:\u003c/strong\u003e Racontez maintenant quelques chapitres de votre action spéciale pour sauver les enfants de passer la 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tard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=536.0,538.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Maurice Cachou était déjà mort puisque il est mort sous la torture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=538.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ils l'ont assassiné et ensuite, les événements ont marché très vite et Jacques Cartonnet est parti avec tous les collaborateurs qui ont quitté 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tombés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=604.0,606.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y en a eu pas mal, comme Milla Racine, comme Marianne Cohn, comme Ernest Lambert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=606.0,613.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais si vous voulez, par exemple, pour des passages d'enfants, vous pouvez demander en Israël à André Salomon, qui a sauvé des milliers d'enfants, vous pouvez demander Anne-Marie 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mais","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=694.0,708.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pour ça, il faut interroger des gens qui ont fait partie de cet establishment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=708.0,713.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il faut interroger par exemple Dicka Jeffreykin, qui a donc été un de ceux qui faisait partie du comité directeur de l'AJ et qui lui était en même temps délégué du Joint en France avec Maurice 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poste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=758.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=763.0,764.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comme beaucoup de Français israélites, c'était la 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Mais tout de même, l'égalité au point de vue de la loi, au point de vue, il y avait pas de pogroms, il y avait pas de ils ne se heurtaient pas vraiment à un numerus clausus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=854.0,865.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enfin, c'était ça n'existait pas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=865.0,867.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc ces gens-là étaient beaucoup moins aptes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=867.0,871.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"À se rendre compte des dangers alors que vous aviez des Juifs immigrés qui, eux, avaient déjà ressenti par eux-mêmes ce que c'était que l'antisémitisme et qui savaient que quand on commençait à crier au loup, on finit toujours par se faire manger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=871.0,890.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors ceux-là savaient tout de suite ce qu'il fallait faire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=890.0,893.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais ça, c'est aussi, c'est très schématique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=893.0,897.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce qui fait que, si vous voulez, vous trouverez plus facilement dans la résistance juive, à part des exceptions, comme toujours, mais vous trouverez plus facilement dans les milieux immigrés qui ont senti dans leur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=897.0,914.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"une espèce d'instinct, n'est-ce pas, qu'il ne fallait pas aller, par exemple, forcément se déclarer, qu'il ne fallait pas obéir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=914.0,928.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors que pour le français de religion israélite, il fallait obéir à la loi tant qu'on obéissait à la loi, tant qu'on on ne pouvait rien vous faire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=928.0,940.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enfin, on était, on était sous la sauvegarde de la loi française.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=940.0,944.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203/transcript/93239/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est ça qui.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169567/file/308203#t=944.0,945.5"}]}]}]}