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She considers the Jewish underground unique for two reasons:\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e1. The Jewish underground worked extensively to rescue thousands of Jews, especially children – who, in Rachel's eyes, represent the continuity of the Jewish people.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e2. Rachel views the activities of the Jewish underground as a symbol of the restoration of the Jewish people’s honor.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eShe relates the emotional difficulty she felt immediately after the war, the underground members who survived the war, and their choice not to receive medals of honor. This decision was made for two primary reasons: first, the underground members believed that medals of honor should only be awarded to those underground members who were murdered or killed during the war. 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She considers the Jewish underground unique for two reasons:\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e1. The Jewish underground worked extensively to rescue thousands of Jews, especially children \u0026ndash; who, in Rachel's eyes, represent the continuity of the Jewish people.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e2. Rachel views the activities of the Jewish underground as a symbol of the restoration of the Jewish people\u0026rsquo;s honor.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eShe relates the emotional difficulty she felt immediately after the war, the underground members who survived the war, and their choice not to receive medals of honor. This decision was made for two primary reasons: first, the underground members believed that medals of honor should only be awarded to those underground members who were murdered or killed during the war. 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3.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=1.0,4.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Quelle était cette différence d'après vous?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=4.0,7.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rachel Cheigam: D'après moi, la différence et la spécificité de la résistance juive, et je l'ai dit au président Mitterrand, à mon avis, c'est dans toutes ces horreurs de la guerre, malgré tout, nous avons fait oeuvre de vie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=7.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que tout le reste, si on prend tout le côté militaire,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=24.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Toute la résistance a fait ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=29.0,31.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"La résistance générale a eu des maquis, a eu des corps francs, a attaqué des collaborateurs, a fait du renseignement, donc tout le monde l'a fait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=31.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais ce que ce qui a été la spécificité de la résistance juive, ça a été ça a été de sauver des milliers de Juifs en France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=41.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ça, je pense que c'est très important parce que surtout, nous avons sauvé des enfants.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=53.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or, c'est le futur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=60.0,62.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est le ce que Hitler voulait anéantir, c'était la race entière.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=62.0,67.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et pour ça, il voulait surtout supprimer les 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la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=84.0,89.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"La tâche la plus importante était celle-là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=89.0,94.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En plus, il est certain que, si vous voulez, on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=94.0,99.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"c'était également l'honneur du peuple juif et son histoire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=99.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que lorsque vous prenez des mouvements de résistance générale, et je fais partie du comité d'action de la résistance et j'en côtoie tous les jours, il y a eu parmi les créateurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=104.0,118.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y a pas eu un mouvement de résistance où il n'y ait pas eu des Juifs qui ont créé les mouvements ou qui en ont fait partie en grande partie, mais en définitive, ils ne figureront jamais sur aucune statistique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=118.0,133.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Non pas que ce soit extraordinaire, mais on nous a accusés de tellement de choses, on a fait tellement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=133.0,144.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"D'histoire, que nous étions lâches, que nous étions incapables de nous battre, que nous que nous plions tout le temps, et cetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=144.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Que c'est dommage de ne pas donner des statistiques 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que.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=172.0,174.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On a rénové un quartier de tombes au cimetière d'Ivry, je crois, et c'était des gens qui ont été fusillés par les Allemands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=174.0,190.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eh bien, sur les tombes juives, ils ont mis des croix, alors que sur les tombes protestantes et les 4 musulmans, enfin, qui avaient d'ailleurs été arrêtés pour des questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=190.0,204.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enfin, de droit commun, n'est ce pas ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=204.0,206.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On n'a pas mis de croix, mais sur les Juifs, ils ont des tombes juives, ils ont mis des croix et il a fallu des protestations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=206.0,213.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors maintenant, on a promis que on allait rectifier tout de suite, mais automatiquement, on a mis des croix.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=213.0,219.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Par conséquent, même si la résistance juive n'avait que ce cette fonction 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humains.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=231.0,242.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=242.0,243.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Y a une autre petite question, si vous permettez, la question que je vous pose 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que n'aurait de décoration que les gens qui étaient morts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=285.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce qu'au moment de la libération, tout de suite à ce moment-là, on a eu plusieurs raisons de ne pas se montrer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=292.0,301.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"La première, c'est que c'était très difficile de se mettre en avant et de dire \"nous avons fait ceci, nous avons fait cela\".","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=301.0,314.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors que on apprenait que tout ce qui s'était vraiment passé, n'est ce pas ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=314.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que bon, on a eu de on a eu des échos, surtout à la fin, mais on pouvait pas y 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moment-là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=364.0,369.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Surtout que chacun d'entre nous était frappé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=369.0,371.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Chacun d'entre nous avait perdu des parents, des frères, des soeurs, des 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que","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=395.0,398.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nous devions continuer le combat et déjà pendant l'occupation, on avait pris contact avec la Hagana et par Londres et par la Suisse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=398.0,407.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jar Blum et assurait le y avait des gens comme ça qui assuraient la liaison, et nous savions donc que les Anglais ne laisseraient pas les 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l'administration.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=466.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y avait donc des résistants qui étaient à tous les postes clés, qui pouvaient nous aider et qui, effectivement, nous ont aidés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=470.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Par conséquent,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=477.0,478.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nous avons, nous sommes vraiment effacés, nous avions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=478.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"je ne sais pas combien de dizaines de décorations que personne n'a jamais prises, parce qu'on ne voulait pas faire de dossier concernant les résistants 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déportés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=542.0,556.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc on ne voulait pas faire ce que les Allemands avaient fait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=556.0,560.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moi, j'ai fait par exemple, vous pouvez 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pas le droit et je n'avais pas mon étoile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=582.0,594.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comme je vous dis, j'étais la première à la porter en France, mais ce jour-là, je l'avais enlevée et un inspecteur de police de mon quartier m'a reconnue et m'a arrêtée.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=594.0,605.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le lendemain matin, on m'a ramenée à la 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escalier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=669.0,674.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bon, Ben je l'ai fait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=674.0,676.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors, quand vous partez après, a priori, enfin, rétrospectivement, vous frissonnez, mais sur le moment, vous n'avez qu'une 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qu'on allait le relâcher tout de suite et qu'il revenait dans l'heure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=755.0,767.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors je lui ai dit non, prenez des provisions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=767.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et il y avait donc 2 types de la Gestapo armés et qui parlaient évidemment 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n'est ce pas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=804.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=811.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Si vous voulez, alors 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grenades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=841.0,844.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et en plus, c'était des grenades italiennes et on avait l'impression qu'elles allaient nous exploser toutes seules.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=844.0,851.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On n'était même pas sûr que les grenades n'allaient pas exploser sans que bon, je ne sais 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théâtre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=870.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On a toujours l'impression qu'on sait qu'on peut être arrêté, on sait qu'on peut être torturé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=878.0,887.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais au fond de soi-même, on n'y croit 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Époque-là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=903.0,903.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est-à-dire que nous avons connu une époque de fraternité.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=903.0,909.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vous savez, quand j'entends les jeunes d'aujourd'hui parler du temps des copains, ce n'est pas vrai.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=909.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce n'est pas eux qui l'ont, ils s'imaginent, c'est nous qui l'avons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=915.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est-à-dire que","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=919.0,921.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nous avions enfin des relations extrêmement fraternelles avec ceux de notre groupe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204#t=921.0,928.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169568/file/308204/transcript/93240/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et si nous avions un morceau de pain, on le 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