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France n'avait pas été résistante pendant la période 40 44, illusion que certains avaient tenté d'entretenir pendant la période qui avait suivi la libération.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=30.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors sur ce plan, c'est la vérité.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=58.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais entre la façon dont il présente les choses et la réalité, il y a une grande différence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=60.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J'ai entendu à la télévision Ophulse dire j'ai essayé de démontrer par ce film l'horreur du nazisme.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=68.0,82.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Or, que retire-t-on de","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=82.0,86.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"la vision de ce film, que la France a été un pays collaborateur, qu'il y a eu un traître sympathique qui était Monsieur de La Mazière, qui a toujours dit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=86.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moi, je me battais pour la droite française et j'ai été dans les Waffen SS me battre dans la division Charlemagne, je 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tous les risques.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=166.0,168.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ce sont mes amis avec lesquels, enfin je sais pas, je suis actuellement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=168.0,176.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moi, j'étais membre du Conseil national de la Résistance ou qui regroupait sous la présidence de Jean Moulin, avec lequel j'étais appelé à travailler, mais en tant que représentant de du mouvement que j'ai animé, franc tireur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=176.0,192.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais le problème juif était un de nos problèmes, mais ce n'était qu'un de nos problèmes et nous n'avons manqué aucune occasion, chaque fois que nous le savions, de marquer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=192.0,203.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"l'importance que nous y attachions, mais en veillant aussi à 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connaître.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=217.0,226.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais la population française ne les connaissait pas, et surtout en zone sud, parce que les Allemands avaient eu l'intelligence de couper la France en deux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=226.0,234.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Combien de Juifs ont en 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jaunes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=254.0,260.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Elle appartenait au mouvement éclaireur israélite avec son mari Henri Lévy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=260.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'était des amis de Chameau que vous connaissez sûrement, qui a déjeuné ici la semaine 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Strasbourg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=330.0,336.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Strasbourg, donc capitale de l'Alsace.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=336.0,340.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En Alsace, il y a toujours eu une communauté juive importante.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=340.0,343.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je suis moi même d'origine strasbourgeoise et le l'ami cherche quelqu'un qui s'appelle comme moi, Lévy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=343.0,355.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il demande aux renseignements à la poste: est ce que vous avez le numéro de téléphone de vous pouvez me donner le numéro de téléphone de Monsieur Lévy dont il donne l'adresse?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=355.0,366.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors l'employée des postes cherche gentiment, elle prend l'annuaire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=366.0,373.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et puis elle voit, à Strasbourg, une ou deux pages de Lévy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=373.0,381.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, les Lévy viennent à des quantités, ça doit être un nom du pays, ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=381.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je crois que c'est très symptomatique, mais ceci s'est passé il y a un mois.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=389.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors ça existe encore en France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=392.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"À côté de ça, il y a des mouvements antisémites, il y a des gens qui font de l'antisémitisme et nous sommes obligés de nous battre contre eux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=395.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je suis au comité central de la Licra où j'essaie de veiller à ce qu'on se batte contre l'antisémitisme dans ce pays, car il y en a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=401.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais malgré tout, cela représente peu de choses par rapport à la masse de la population.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=410.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je suis sûr qu'il y a des pays en France où on n'a jamais vu un juif, qu'on a identifié en tant que juif.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=416.0,423.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et comme vous l'avez dit fort justement tout à l'heure, il n'y a aucune comparaison entre la situation des Juifs en France et la situation des Juifs telle qu'elle était en Pologne, notamment avec Ghetto, Stätl et isolement total par rapport au reste de la population, d'une manière générale antisémite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=423.0,447.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Encore aujourd'hui?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=447.0,448.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Mais le Juif, c'est qu'on nous a dit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=448.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jean-Pierre Lévy: Oui, je le crois.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=450.0,452.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je crois, mais tous n'ont pas joué un rôle dirigeant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=452.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais écoutez, c'est une réflexion qui a été faite, même au général de Gaulle, à un moment donné, entre les soldats de la France libre, ceux qui essayaient de s'évader parmi les hommes jeunes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=455.0,467.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moi, j'ai pensé qu'il fallait me battre à l'intérieur du pays, ce qui évidemment était plus difficile que de se battre à l'extérieur dans une armée régulière.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=467.0,478.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il se trouve que j'ai eu la chance d'arriver à monter quelque chose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=478.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et je pensais que.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=481.0,482.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"de voir était de revenir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=482.0,485.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais on avait le sentiment que dans l'entourage de Gaulle, il y avait un nombre important de Juifs et hors de proportion avec ce que représentait la communauté juive en France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=485.0,496.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et d'ailleurs, je sais que ça lui a été dit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=496.0,501.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ça a été la même chose en France dans la Résistance, mais enfin, il n'apparaissait pas en tant que tel, sauf dans les organisations, mais","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=501.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"qu'on connaît en détail et les auteurs qui ont écrit sur le sujet le disent honnêtement eux-mêmes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=509.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Annie Latour ou dont vous avez peut-être vu le livre ou les ouvrages sur la MOI.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=516.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je crois.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=525.0,527.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Par rapport à l'insurrection de Paris, la.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=527.0,532.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comment dirais-je.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=532.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"L'action par rapport à la guerre en général, l'insurrection de Paris, quand on la voit avec le recul, était une petite chose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=533.0,541.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Par rapport à l'insurrection de Paris, le maquis juif était une chose encore beaucoup plus petite, ce dont il faut être conscient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=541.0,548.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors il y a eu un maquis juif important et il a joué un rôle important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=548.0,553.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et vous voyez, il est très difficile, si on essaie de faire un travail historique, de mesurer l'importance exacte","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=553.0,561.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"des uns et des autres.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=561.0,564.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tous les gens qui se sont battus ont pris un risque et ont pris un risque formidable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=564.0,568.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et le risque était bien sûr beaucoup plus grand quand on était juif.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=568.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et qu'on ne pouvait pas le camoufler.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=574.0,575.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais ça n'a pas empêché un certain nombre de gens de le prendre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=575.0,578.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors ceux qui voient les choses de manière hostile à ce qu'a pu être le comportement de certains disent : \"Mais les Juifs, ils n'avaient plus rien à perdre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=578.0,592.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ou bien ils fuyaient en Amérique, s'ils le pouvaient, mais ils sont peu nombreux ceux qui ont pu le faire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=592.0,599.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ou bien ils restaient en France, à ce moment-là, ils n'avaient qu'une chose à faire, c'est se battre ou attendre qu'on vienne les prendre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=599.0,609.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors, il y a ceux qui croyaient qu'il fallait se battre, mais il y a ceux qui disaient : \"Moi, je ne peux pas prendre ce risque.\" Vous savez, on entendait tous les arguments sur le sujet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=609.0,618.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Car il est intéressant de noter aussi qu'il y a des Juifs de l'establishment qui considéraient que des gens comme nous étions plutôt nuisibles, parce qu'on risquait d'aggraver la situation de ceux qui essayaient de ménager la chèvre et le chou.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=618.0,640.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et nous avons bien été obligés de le lire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=640.0,644.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moi, je suis allé un jour demander de l'argent au consistoire israélite de France.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=644.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En disant je travaille avec rien, voilà ce que je fais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=648.0,652.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et je vous assure que ce n'était pas facile de faire ça pendant la guerre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=652.0,659.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et je démontrais ce que je faisais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=659.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc je ne venais pas en disant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=661.0,662.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On en avait sorti deux ou trois déjà.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=662.0,666.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Est-ce que vous ne pouvez pas m'aider ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=666.0,667.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que ce que je vous demande, c'est que vous me donniez de l'argent, je disparais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=667.0,668.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais nous, on ne peut pas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=668.0,671.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y a le maréchal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=671.0,673.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Les relations que nous entretenons font qu'il n'est pas bon de.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=673.0,677.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J'ai compris, je suis parti.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=677.0,678.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y a aussi des gens qui m'ont dit quand on s'appelle Lévy, on se tient tranquille.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=678.0,684.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bon, je me suis appelé Lévy pendant quelques temps, puis après je me suis appelé Lenoir, je me suis appelé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=684.0,688.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J'ai eu 36 noms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=688.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=690.0,697.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Des Juifs se sont très bien battus et ils ont été nombreux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=697.0,701.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Les Juifs organisés en tant que tels, à ma connaissance, ont représenté quelque chose de mince dans le pays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=701.0,709.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais je rappelle qu'ils ont pris les mêmes risques que les autres.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=709.0,714.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais comme structure juive, à ma connaissance, il y a eu l'action de sauvetage qui était une action sociale qui était admirable avec un certain nombre de religieux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=714.0,733.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"l'abbé Glassberg, le père Chayer, des gens qui pouvaient connaître très bien, le pasteur de Pury, au Chambon-sur-Lignon, le pasteur Trocmé, et qui ont été peu nombreux aussi, parce que là également, ceux qui se sont battus partout étaient peu nombreux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=733.0,753.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ceux qui prenaient des risques dans l'Église étaient peu nombreux aussi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=753.0,758.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et puis alors, il y a eu","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=758.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"la participation à la MOI, et puis la sixième, et puis le maquis de Castres ou de Vabres, de cette région du Sud-Ouest, où les gens se sont très bien battus, mais au moment où ils ont pu se regrouper, c'est-à-dire vers la fin, 43-44.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=759.0,781.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors que mes amis et moi, nous avons commencé à nous battre fin 40, on va tout de suite","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=781.0,788.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"essayer de faire quelque chose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=788.0,790.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais c'était très difficile parce qu'on partait de rien.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=790.0,792.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et puis il fallait aller le nez en l'air en disant qui est-ce qui veut bien faire quelque chose avec moi ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=792.0,797.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que tout seul, vous ne pouvez rien faire quand vous battez à mains nues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=797.0,802.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Moi, j'ai eu la chance de rencontrer des gens qui trouvaient que j'étais remuant et qu'on pouvait essayer de faire quelque chose ensemble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=802.0,811.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais ce qui nous a permis de monter un mouvement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=811.0,816.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais je crois qu'il y a des.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=816.0,820.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais ceci n'a pas été une résistance juive en tant que telle, étant entendu qu'il y a eu beaucoup de Juifs qui se sont battus comme des lions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=820.0,832.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J'ai eu des contacts indirects avec des gens de l'équipe du témoignage chrétien, des contacts indirects avec les gens des amitiés chrétiennes, mais je n'ai pas eu affaire aux combattants juifs en tant que tels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=832.0,844.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J'ai rencontré Chameau.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=844.0,846.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"à deux ou trois reprises, qui essayaient de remuer les gens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=846.0,850.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais il y avait aussi une chose à laquelle nous veillons avec le plus grand soin, c'est de rester aussi cloisonnés que possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=850.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y a des gens qui m'ont reproché d'avoir un goût du secret excessif et je leur disais : \"Mais ce que je ne sais pas, je ne le dirai pas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=860.0,868.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ce que vous ne savez pas, vous ne le direz non plus.\" Alors","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=868.0,874.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Évitons les contacts, évitons les imprudences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=874.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ceci visait aussi bien les autres groupes que les miens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=878.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"J'ai eu des contacts à la tête des mouvements de résistance, mais j'essayais d'avoir des contacts à la tête.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=883.0,889.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais les collaborateurs immédiats de mes amis, autres chefs de mouvement ou dirigeants de réseau, je ne les avais pas et je veillais à ne pas les avoir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=889.0,899.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eux, ayant la même réaction vis-à-vis de moi-même.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=899.0,903.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"avec mes propres collaborateurs et amis, ceux qui faisaient partie de mes propres équipes, je leur disais \"Mais je n'ai pas le désir de vous voir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=903.0,913.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce n'est pas indispensable, il ne faut pas que je vous voie.\" Ce que beaucoup ne comprenaient pas d'ailleurs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=913.0,918.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et après la Libération, plusieurs années après la Libération, j'ai rencontré des gens qui ont eu l'occasion de me voir, qui sont venus me voir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=918.0,928.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\"Il paraît que vous étiez mon patron pendant la guerre.\" J'ai dit oui.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=928.0,934.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais j'ai essayé à 2 ou 3 reprises de vous voir, mais il n'y avait rien à 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déportés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=942.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199/transcript/93234/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En 43, j'ai été arrêté plusieurs fois, puis j'ai eu la chance de pouvoir m'évader.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169563/file/308199#t=949.0,963.4888"}]}]}]}