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Karski points out that the Germans used guards from Ukraine, Estonia and Latvia - who had no contact with and no ability to communicate with the local population.\u003cbr\u003eIn response to the reactions of the leaders of the government-in-exile in London regarding the information he brought from Poland about the Belzec camp and the situation in the Warsaw (Warszawa) ghetto in general and the attitude to the ghetto uprising in particular. Karski speaks about the gap between what he related and the ability of the listeners to understand what was said. He replies that his goal was to report and it was not within his authority to ask or find out how the report was received and what the listeners intended to do. He relates in detail about the meeting with Szmul Zygalbojm, who represented the Bund movement in the National Council in London. He was greeted with distrust because Karski was not Jewish, and when he heard what he had to say, Zygalbojm was seized with despair.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThe Ghetto Fighters' House Museum produced three documentary films known as The Documentary Trilogy. The films are: The 81st Blow (1974), The Last Sea (1979), and Flames in the Ashes (1985). The creators were David Bergman, Jacquot Ehrlich, and Haim Gouri.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eMany recorded testimonies were integrated into the films. The raw materials of the testimonies are kept in the archive of the Ghetto Fighters' House Museum.\u003c/p\u003e (general)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keyword"]},"value":{"en":["Testimonies","Trilogy","Films","Newspapers and Periodicals","Press, Underground","Underground, Polish","Polish Government - in - Exile","Army, Polish"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["London","United States","Washington","Belzec - Camp","England"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["Polish (primary)","French (secondary)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["mp3"]}},{"label":{"en":["Subject"]},"value":{"en":["Sikorski Johan","Zygelbojm Shmuel - Artur"]}},{"label":{"en":["Contributor"]},"value":{"en":["Ghetto Fighters' House Museum"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eDocumentary Trilogy testimonies: Prof. Jan Karski, Diplomat Hotel.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eContent:\u0026nbsp;\u003cbr /\u003eIn response to the question about the Polish population's ignorance of the extermination of the Jews. Karski points out that the Germans used guards from Ukraine, Estonia and Latvia - who had no contact with and no ability to communicate with the local population.\u003cbr /\u003eIn response to the reactions of the leaders of the government-in-exile in London regarding the information he brought from Poland about the Belzec camp and the situation in the Warsaw (Warszawa) ghetto in general and the attitude to the ghetto uprising in particular. Karski speaks about the gap between what he related and the ability of the listeners to understand what was said. He replies that his goal was to report and it was not within his authority to ask or find out how the report was received and what the listeners intended to do. He relates in detail about the meeting with Szmul Zygalbojm, who represented the Bund movement in the National Council in London. He was greeted with distrust because Karski was not Jewish, and when he heard what he had to say, Zygalbojm was seized with despair.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThe Ghetto Fighters' House Museum produced three documentary films known as The Documentary Trilogy. The films are: The 81st Blow (1974), The Last Sea (1979), and Flames in the Ashes (1985). The creators were David Bergman, Jacquot Ehrlich, and Haim Gouri.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eMany recorded testimonies were integrated into the films. The raw materials of the testimonies are kept in the archive of the Ghetto Fighters' House Museum.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["Ghetto Fighters' House"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["Ghetto Fighters' House"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/610/original/aviary_default_logo.png?1724134410","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collections/default_thumbs/000/002/950/small/Gemini_Generated_Image_nr5cx8nr5cx8nr5c.png?1769692460","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - 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[Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=0.0,0.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Je vous pose des questions en français, et s'il vous plaît, vous allez me répondre en anglais, en votre langue natale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=0.0,9.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [FR] En polonais ou en anglais?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=9.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Parce que pour nous, pour notre documentation, nous voulons que chaque témoin parle de sa langue natale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=12.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Oui, c'est plus facile pour vous aussi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=19.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Ça donne honte.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=22.0,23.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [FR] Pas nécessairement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=23.0,24.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [FR] Alors il y aura des cas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=24.0,26.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Attention, attention, c'est la même que la vôtre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=26.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Je suis plus jeune que vous, mais pour la jeune génération toujours, il y a l'énigme indéchiffrable de la solitude terrible des Juifs pendant l'Holocauste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=30.0,43.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Alors, comment expliquez-vous, comme patriotes polonais de l'époque, cette solitude sans précédent d'un peuple qui était entouré pas seulement de ses ennemis, des Allemands, mais aussi, disons,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=43.0,60.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Disons l'indifférence de quelques-uns ou de la majorité des peuples parmi lesquels ils vivaient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=60.0,68.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Comment vivez-vous ce phénomène de solitude extraordinaire dans la colonie de.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=68.0,77.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No więc proszę pana, jeżeli chodzi o Polskę, proszę pamiętać o tym eksterminacja Żydów była uważana przez władze niemieckie jako sekret.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=77.0,92.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Robili wszystko, żeby ludność się o tym nie dowiedziała. Na przykład w tych wielkich obozach śmierci i tak dalej nie używali polskich policjantów.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=92.0,105.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ponieważ policjanci mieli być kontakty z ludnością, używali Ukraińców, estończyków, czasami łotyszów tych, którzy albo nie mieli kontaktów z ludnością albo nawet nie znali często języka. Oczywiście folksdojczu. Wie pan co to znaczy folksdojczów?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=105.0,124.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Yy Polaków pochodzenia niemieckiego, którzy się zadeklarowali na stronę niemiecką, ale to co się działo z żydami, że okropne rzeczy działy się z żydami.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=124.0,147.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Że okropne rzeczy działy się z żydami, o tym niemożliwe, żeby społeczeństwo polskie nie wiedziało.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=147.0,159.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ponieważ to były takie okropne rzeczy i takie masowe rzeczy, no przecież niemożliwe, żeby społeczeństwo polskie nie widziało drutów kolczastych, albo jakichś tam ścian i tak dalej. No więc to wiadomo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=159.0,180.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Nie wiadomo było jednak szerokiej opinii publicznej, w których obozach co się dzieje, szczegóły, ilu Żydów zostało wymordowanych. Prasa podziemna podawała, ja pamiętam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=180.0,198.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Do października czterdziestego drugiego roku ja czytałem kilka artykułów w różnych pismach prasy podziemnej, które wspominały o obozach zagłady, o mordowania Żydów przez.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=198.0,220.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Elektrocuszyn — zapomniałem nawet już jak to będzie się nazywało po polsku — którego ja nigdy nie zrozumiałem. I nawet o gazowaniu Żydów nie pamiętam ani jednego pisma, które by podawało w jakich obozach na przykład.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=220.0,238.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] To wszystko Niemcy przytrzymali w tajemnicy — to jest jedna rzecz. Druga rzecz, ale w ruchu podziemnym była sekcja łączności radiowej z rządem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=238.0,252.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Szefem tej sekcji przez cały czas wojny był pan Stefan Korboński, który żyje obecnie w Washingtonie. Teraz on twierdzi, że wiele.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=252.0,271.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Bardzo wiele depesz kodowanych przesyłał do Londynu. On twierdzi — słyszałem go wiele razy i wiem co zeznał Lackerowi, takiemu naukowcy by izraelskiemu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=271.0,291.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Walter Lacker — że po przesyłaniu tych meldunków, bardziej precyzyjnych niż opinia publiczna o tym wiedziała, że BBC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=291.0,308.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] To znaczy telewizja i radio angielskie. Nie podawali tych wiadomości. On oświadczył Lackerowi i wiele razy mnie osobiście.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=308.0,326.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Odpowiedź przychodziła od rządu polskiego: niestety BBC nie umieściła pana wiadomości, pana statystyk i tak dalej, ponieważ one są niewiarygodne, one są przesadzone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=326.0,381.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Następne pytanie jest więc: naród nie wiedział co się dzieje z żydami w obozach, to robią z żydami w obozach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=381.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] I w których?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=389.0,390.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] I w których obozach. Ale władze polskiego podziemia — a to potężna instytucja wojskowa — wiedziała wszystko. Dlaczego była.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=390.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Ta pomoc udzielana Żydom tak nieistotna i tak późno? Dlaczego nie dostarczali broni? Na te apele żydowskie nie było odzewu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=401.0,416.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Czy ja mam teraz już odpowiadać na pytanie pana?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=416.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Tu jest pytanie pana góry, ja tylko.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=419.0,421.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ale czy pan nie chce tego po francusku powiedzieć, czy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=421.0,427.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Et cette question me torture terriblement, parce que je crois que même après que l'opinion publique de la clandestinité polonais en Pologne, dans la patrie, savait exactement le sort des Juifs, il y a eu — je ne dis pas une sauvage indifférence — mais quelque chose d'indéchiffrable pour nous, pour notre génération.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=427.0,446.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Pourquoi la résistance polonaise n'a pas donné plus d'aide, des armes par exemple?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=446.0,452.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Je ne parle pas de l'invention des cris.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=452.0,456.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] d'informations comme la vôtre, par exemple, qui pour nous, c'est toujours le symbole de courage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=456.0,460.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Mais généralement, de tous les documents que j'ai lus, il y a un cri de solitude terrible des Juifs, même envers la résistance polonaise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=460.0,469.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [FR] Oui, je comprends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=469.0,472.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Proszę pamiętać.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=472.0,474.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Że w ruchu podziemnym ja miałem specyficzną rolę i wiele rzeczy nie wiedziałem. Ja na przykład mało miałem informacji, jak naród polski żyje. Ja biegałem od przywódcy do przywódcy, robiłem nasłuchy radiowe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=474.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No i potem udawałem się w te różne podróże. Jaką pomoc Żydzi żądali od ruchu podziemnego, to znaczy od delegata rządu?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=494.0,508.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Prawdopodobnie pomoc w pieniądzach, w żywności, w medykamentach i tak dalej, albo od Armii Krajowej pomocy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=508.0,527.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No wojskową pomoc, to znaczy jakieś tam karabiny, bóg wie co — o tym nie było możliwości, żebym ja wiedział, przecież to był ruch podziemny. Ja w tym nie byłem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=527.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ja nie byłem, nigdy nie byłem w partyzantce. Ja nigdy nie byłem emisariuszem czy kurierem Armii Krajowej. Moja rola to były kontakty z porozumieniem stronnictw i z delegatem rządu — to ja się dowiedziałem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=542.0,562.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] O skargi Żydów na ten temat, który pana interesuje — ale to był październik 42 roku, gdzie ja z ust do ust osobiście dowiedziałem się z punktu widzenia żydowskiego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=562.0,577.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] C'est ça, je parle d'un synonyme poétique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=577.0,581.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Armia Krajowa nie jest w porządku.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=581.0,603.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Et on parle de la douleur maximale, c'est-à-dire de l'enfer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=603.0,605.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Yad Vashem — quand j'ai entendu votre conférence qui était déchirante, vous avez parlé d'un désespoir total, de quelque chose de l'enfer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=605.0,618.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Croyez-vous que ces gens-là pourraient révolter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=618.0,620.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Ou c'était au-delà de la révolte, dans le désespoir total?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=620.0,624.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Comment vous voyez ces gens-là, comme quelqu'un qui","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=624.0,631.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] est venu et est sorti de cet enfer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=631.0,634.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Quelle était la vraie expression de la condition humaine?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=634.0,641.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Proszę pana, ja sobie zdaję sprawę, że nawet dla Żydów żyjących na świecie, czy dla innych ludzi, pewne sytuacje są trudne do wyobrażenia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=641.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Taka była moja sytuacja w charakterze kuriera. Ja tyle widziałem w czasie wojny, ja nie miałem uczuć. Gdybym ja.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=657.0,673.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Poddawał się sentymentom, ocenie — czy to jest możliwe, czy to nie jest możliwe? To ja bym zwariował, to ja bym oszalał. Nie mam, nie miałem żadnych reakcji. Ja wiedziałem, jaka była moja rola.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=673.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Moja rola była tylko zobaczyć — co było w Bełżcu. I 2 razy widziałem tylko, żeby zobaczyć co było w Bełżcu, i zobaczyłem, co było w Bełżcu. Ja o tym nawet nie dopuszczałem do siebie, żeby.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=691.0,710.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Myśleć o tym, żeby to czuć. Ja zachorowałem tej nocy i to minęło — tak wyrzygałem się, zachorowałem się, po czym powtarzałem to wszystko jak maszyna, jak gramofon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=710.0,729.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ludziom z zagranicy powtarzając to, co ja widziałem. Ja pamiętam, że zamykałem często oczy, żeby nawet twarz człowieka, do którego ja mówiłem, mi nie przeszkadzała. Ja mówiłem jak maszyna.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=729.0,748.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ja nie miałem uczuć w czasie wojny — proszę pana. Ja dam panu przykład teraz: ja mam 68 lat, 40 lat minęło od tych okropnych czasów.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=748.0,769.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Często jak zdaję raporty, jak mnie ludzie pytają, ja nie mogę powstrzymać moich nerwów. Głos mi się załamuje, zaczynam płakać i robię z siebie idiotę — jakiegoś, nigdy nie płakałem w czasie wojny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=769.0,786.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Gdy raportowałem, ja byłem maszyną. Ja wiedziałem: nie wolno mi mieć żadnych uczuć, bo ja zwariuję.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=786.0,796.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] C'est la proportion surréaliste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=796.0,818.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Przepaść wielka między.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=818.0,821.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Tym, co pan opowiada, i między reakcją ludzi, którym pan opowiadał. Może pan sobie przypomni jedno spotkanie z kimś na tym wolnym świecie — kiedy pan odczuwał, że słuchacz pański.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=821.0,839.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Czuje to samo, co pan, że jest na jednym poziomie, na jednym świecie? Czy takiego wspomnienia nie ma pan? A zawsze, kiedy pan relacjonował, była ta przepaść między tym, co pan mówi, a ich możliwością zrozumienia pańskich słów.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=839.0,852.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [FR] Professeur Karski, qui, parmi les gens à qui vous avez rendu votre compte du ghetto et des camps, vous croyez qu'il","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=852.0,860.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] a été le premier, disons, qui a compris profondément la vraie signification de l'enfer, ce qu'il y a eu à Londres,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=860.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] ou des Juifs ou des Polonais de la diaspora?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=878.0,880.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Qui a été parmi les seuls ou les deux qui ont compris vraiment la situation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=880.0,886.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Alors qui parmi eux étaient, disons, l'un ou deux ou trois personnages qui, à votre avis, ont compris vraiment profondément?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=886.0,913.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] To co pamiętam w tej chwili?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=913.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ale pan musi pamiętać — 40 lat minęło — i pewnie już z mojej pamięci wyszły różne osoby i różne ich reakcje. To co ja pamiętam? 2 ludzi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=915.0,933.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Pewnie zdawał sobie z tego sprawę — jeden: Szmul Zygal Bojm, który mi powiedział, nie ma powodu, żebym ja mu wtedy nie wierzył. On nie potrzebował mojego raportu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=933.0,951.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] On wiedział więcej niż ja i on mi to powiedział. Szmul Zygal Bojm, tak jak ja go widziałem wtedy — nie na skutek mojego raportu, na skutek tego, co on wiedział niezależnie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=951.0,968.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Od tego kuriera — Karskiego — był roztrzęsiony. To już nie był przywódca, to już nie był mąż stanu, to już nie był bojownik.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=968.0,986.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Bo jak ja go widziałem, jak ja go pamiętam, to było tylko cierpienie. Cała tragedia żydowska była w jego głowie, w jego sercu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=986.0,997.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Cała bezsilność żydowska, cała no rozczarowania — on wszystko to miał w sobie i on się nie mógł tego opanować.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=997.0,1019.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Czy pan chce, żebym ja panu powiedział minutę po minucie — od momentu spotkania, wejścia do gabinetu? I to ja pamiętam — pewnych rzeczy się nie zapomina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1019.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Aż do momentu, gdy ja wyszedłem od jego gabinetu. Czy pan chce, żebym ja to panu powiedział? W pewnym momencie wszystkimi moimi ruchami w Londynie kierowało biuro profesora Kota.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1034.0,1054.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] A więc w pewnym momencie dostaję wiadomość: zostało ustalone spotkanie z panem, który reprezentuje Bund w Radzie Narodowej. No więc: uda się pan do pana Zygal Boyma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1054.0,1071.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Poszedłem — już nie pamiętam, czy to było jego mieszkanie prywatne, czy to było jego biuro. No i zastałem w tym pokoju pana, który nie zrobił na mnie wielkiego wrażenia. Widać było od razu: nerwowy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1071.0,1090.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ciężko pracujący. Widać było, że nie pochodzi z jakiegoś środowiska intelektualistów — był to, co się w Polsce nazywało, typ proletariacki.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1090.0,1106.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Inni niech osądzą, czy on taki był do dnia dzisiejszego. Nie wiem, kim była jego rodzina. Przyjął mnie oschle, albo nieżyczliwie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1106.0,1124.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Pierwsze jego pytanie — i to pamiętam ze względu na to, że było.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1124.0,1130.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Takie niezwykłe. Pierwsze jego pytanie: \"Podobno chciał się pan ze mną zobaczyć. No co mi pan ma do powiedzenia? Kto pana wysłał do mnie?\" Powiedziałem mu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1130.0,1146.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Przedstawiciel syjonistów i przedstawiciel [Bundu], których widziałem razem w Warszawie parę tygodni temu. On spojrzał na mnie nieżyczliwie i mówił: \"Przecież pan nie jest Żydem.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1146.0,1166.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Powiedziałem na to: \"Ja nie jestem Żydem.\" On znowuż na mnie spojrzał nieżyczliwie, mówił: \"To dlaczego oni nie wysłali Żyda, tylko wysłali pana w sprawach żydowskich?\" To ja mu odpowiedziałem: \"Nie wiem, proszę pana.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1166.0,1184.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Dlaczego oni to zrobili? Jakaś taka chwila milczenia i on znowuż — jak zły był, on był zły wtedy na mnie, i on miał pretensje widocznie, że ja nie jestem Żydem — i on nagle na mnie krzyknął.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1184.0,1203.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Niech mi pan pokaże ręce.\" Ja się obraziłem na to. Ja wtedy miałem szramy na rękach po torturach gestapowskich — mnie wszyscy traktowali.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1203.0,1224.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Zaufaniem, z szacunkiem. Wtedy byłem uważany za jakiegoś — no, niby nie chcę używać tego słowa — bohatera. I on mnie tak traktuje. Ja mu odpowiedziałem: \"Proszę pana, jeżeli pan ma jakiekolwiek wątpliwości co do mnie.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1224.0,1245.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Proszę zasięgnąć informacji w biurze premiera, oni wszystko o mnie wiedzą.\" Ale wyciągnąłem mu rękę. On spojrzał na to. No i: \"Cóż mi pan ma do powiedzenia?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1245.0,1262.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No więc ja mu opisuję: \"Mam panu po pierwsze posłanie od Żydów — ich żądania, wspólne syjonistów i Bundu do rządu polskiego.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1262.0,1279.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Do generała Sikorskiego osobiście. Mam skargi Żydów na Armię Krajową. Mam polecenia do władz alianckich — jeżeli dotrę do władz alianckich.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1279.0,1298.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Nie wiem do kogo dotrę, zrobię wszystko, żeby dotrzeć do nich. I mam także polecenia, żeby starać się dotrzeć do przywódców międzynarodowego żydostwa — też mam dla nich polecenia.\" No więc wtedy Zygal Bojm mówi: \"No to proszę mi powiedzieć.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1298.0,1319.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Te pana polecenia i co pan widział, i tak dalej.\" No więc ja mówię znowuż jak maszyna: te polecenia żydowskie — 2 ekspedycje do getta warszawskiego.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1319.0,1337.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Jedną ekspedycję do Bełżca. No i udała się podróż. Proszę pana, ja tu Jestem — Zygal Bojm na to znowuż z niechęcią, po tym, jak ja mu powiedziałem, co ja widziałem w getcie i Bełżcu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1337.0,1357.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Pan mi nic nowego nie powiedział, ja to wszystko wiem, co mi pan powiedział. Ja więcej wiem niż to, co mi pan powiedział. Co oni chcą ode mnie? Ja tu robię wszystko, co mogę — co oni ode mnie chcą?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1357.0,1376.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ja mu wtedy też ze złości powiedziałem — ten okropny, który był nie-przedstawicielem Bundu, ten drugi człowiek.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1376.0,1392.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Pewnie w żalu, znowuż w rozpaczy, nieostrożnie pewnie powiedział: \"Czy ja mam powiedzieć to, co?\" Gdy ja rozmawiałem z przywódcami żydowskimi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1392.0,1411.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] I oni mi dali te rozmaite meldunki — nie wiem, czy to mam mówić o tym. Ale przed — w pewnym momencie — ja mówię: \"Proszę panów.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1411.0,1429.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Przecież niektóre z tych żądań panów mnie się wydają niemożliwe. Przecież rządy alianckie nie mogą tego zrobić.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1429.0,1443.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"I przywódcy, reprezentanci panów żydowscy w Londynie — przecież oni nic na to nie będą mogli poradzić. Co ja mam z tym zrobić? Co mi panowie każą mówić?\" Na to ten jeden.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1443.0,1460.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] On był syjonistą — wybuchnął i mówił: \"Co nasi reprezentanci mają zrobić? Niech idą do biur wysokich dostojników alianckich.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1460.0,1476.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Niech przedstawią nasze żądania — to, co panu tutaj powiedzieliśmy. Niech nie pozwalają się spławić bez odpowiedzi. Jeżeli nie dostaną odpowiedzi.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1476.0,1493.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Niech wyjdą z biur i stoją przy drzwiach, na ulicy. Niech odmówią jedzenia, niech odmówią wody, niech umierają na ulicy powoli, na oczach całej ludzkości.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1493.0,1514.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Może to budzi ludzkość, może oni wstrząsną sumieniem świata?\" Wtedy jak ja rozmawiałem z nimi, ja nie przywiązywałem do tego wielkiego znaczenia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1514.0,1534.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] W tej atmosferze — Zygal Bojm, gdy on mi pyta: \"To co oni ode mnie chcą? Co ja mogę robić?\" — ja to wywaliłem, ja mu to powiedziałem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1534.0,1553.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Zygal Bojm — pierwsze jeszcze siedział — na to: \"To jest niemożliwe, przecież to jest niemożliwe.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1553.0,1563.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"Jak ja bym to zrobił, no to przecież oni wyślą 2 policjantów. No przecież aresztują mnie, że zakłócam porządek publiczny. No pewnie wezmą mnie do instytucji, podadzą jakimś badaniom psychiatrycznym — przecież to jest zupełnie niemożliwe.\" I w tym momencie zrywa się.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1563.0,1584.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Z krzesła i biega po pokoju jak jakiś zraniony zwierz — z ruchami, które wydały mi się jakieś śmieszne i tragiczne, śmieszne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1584.0,1602.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"To co oni chcą, żebym ja zrobił — to jest niemożliwe. No to ja wiem, że to jest niemożliwe. No ale ja muszę to zrobić. No i jak ja to mogę zrobić, jak ja nie wiem co robić?\" Świat oszalał, świat oszalał, świat oszalał — latał po pokoju — świat oszalał.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1602.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Taka była reakcja Zygal Bojma. No i uspokoił się potem. Ja też się uspokoiłem. No jak zawsze, to się wszystko robiło — poklepał mnie po ramieniu, czy tam uścisnął mnie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1620.0,1633.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No i jeszcze pytał mnie o różne rzeczy o mnie samym: \"Czy to było ciężko? No jakie jest to życie, jakie jest moje życie? Że wszystko zrobi, co może? No że przecież pan wierzy, że ja tu robię wszystko, co mogę. Wszyscy robimy tutaj, co możemy.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1633.0,1653.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No wierzę, proszę pana. Jak to się zaczęło przeciągać — to moje spotkanie, łzy Zygal Bojma — to może ja nawet nie powinienem tego mówić. Ja myślałem, że ja się spóźnię na następne spotkanie, jak to będzie dłużej trwało.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1653.0,1670.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] I spóźniłem się na następne spotkanie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1670.0,1675.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Bo popełnił samobójstwo w maju, w czerwcu 40.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1675.0,1678.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Wrześniu.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1678.0,1678.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] W maju.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1678.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Zaraz jak się to skończyło.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1680.0,1684.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] I tak skończył, jak kończyły miliony Żydów — zagazował się.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1684.0,1690.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [FR] Quelle a été la réaction de votre milieu à Londres?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1690.0,1700.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Dans l'exil de la résistance polonaise, envers l'insurrection du ghetto de Varsovie?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1700.0,1714.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] La première réponse — la première réaction — pour nous c'était la révolte de désespoir. C'est-à-dire: ça, c'est la différence entre la révolte polonaise qui était pleine d'espoir quand même, ou la guerre des partisans yougoslaves, et la révolte du ghetto de Varsovie, qui était dès le début la révolte désespérée — pour sauver l'honneur, pour l'inscrire dans la Bible de l'histoire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1714.0,1740.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Mais dans votre milieu à Londres, quelle a été la réaction?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1740.0,1753.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Proszę pana, to jest prawie niemożliwe panu na to odpowiedzieć.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1753.0,1759.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Proszę pamiętać, że jak ja dotarłem do Londynu, ja biegałem od spotkania do spotkania, dyktowałem godzinami najprzeróżniejsze raporty z kraju, które przywoziłem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1759.0,1779.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Musiałem je dyktować przywódcom polskim — oczywiście Stronnictwu Narodowemu, Stronnictwu Ludowemu, Stronnictwu Socjalistycznemu, Stronnictwu Pracy, poszczególnym ludziom, do których miałem te meldunki. Po czym?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1779.0,1795.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Trafiłem do tych najwybitniejszych — z wyjątkiem Churchilla — członków rządu angielskiego. No potem znowuż pchałem się, żeby dotrzeć do wybitnych ludzi, którzy kierują opinią publiczną w Anglii.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1795.0,1813.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Wydawców, redaktorów, pisarzy, poetów. Dotarłem do nich. Ale potem przyszedł niższy poziom, potem jeszcze niższy poziom. Potem już zacząłem — wzywali mnie na rozmowy, już tam były.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1813.0,1834.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Urzędasy — urzędasy angielskie, urzędasy polskie — które z różnych względów potrzebowały tych wiadomości. I ja zawsze byłem kierowany przez urząd Sikorskiego, przez urząd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1834.0,1853.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Premiera. I takim moim — jak gdyby — menadżerem było 2 panów: jego sekretarze, osobisty Kołakowski i drugi — doktor Retinger, który był takim zaufanym Sikorskiego. Dlatego panu o tym mówię.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1853.0,1870.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ja nie miałem często czasu nawet gazet czytać. Ja latałem od ludzi do ludzi. Jak miałem jedną chwilę czasu, to ja sobie siadałem na ławce na ulicy i drzemałem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1870.0,1887.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Jak ktoś nie przyszedł na spotkanie — a były takie wypadki — no to ja szedłem do pubu i wypiłem whisky, zdrzemnąłem się. Ja byłem taki zmęczony.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1887.0,1899.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Obserwować teraz, jakie były reakcje — pan by musiał powiedzieć, czyje reakcje: Sikorskiego, Kota, przywódców polskich, przywódców angielskich. Oni mnie o to nie pytali. To nie było przedmiotem mojej misji.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1899.0,1918.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] To w ogóle było poza moją misją — całkowicie — co się tam działo w getcie. Mogę panu powiedzieć, w tej sytuacji, w tej misji? Teraz mówimy o kwietniu-maju 43 roku.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1918.0,1936.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] No więc ja biegam po całym Londynie — to było zupełnie nie do pomyślenia, żebym ja na przykład zameldował się u generała Sikorskiego albo profesora Kota, albo pana Edena, albo u lorda Selbourne'a i zapytał go: \"A co pan myśli?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1936.0,1956.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] \"O powstaniu w getcie żydowskim?\" No to było poza moją misją. Zupełnie — moja misja była iść do tych ludzi, do których mi kazano iść.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1956.0,1971.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Albo do tych ludzi, u których ja wywierałem presję: \"Chcę zobaczyć HG Wellsa, wielkiego pisarza, chcę zobaczyć i tam niby innego pisarza\" — i opowiadać mu to, co widziałem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1971.0,1988.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ja nie mogłem go pytać. Proszę pana — właśnie przeczytałem dzisiaj gazetę w New York Times'ie i dowiedziałem się, że jest powstanie warszawskie w getcie żydowskim. \"No proszę pana, co pan o tym myśli? Co pan ma zamiar z tym zrobić?\" — to było nie do pomyślenia. To nie należało.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=1988.0,2008.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Do mojej misji. Mogę panu powiedzieć — i to pan może sprawdzić — tak jak pamięć moja sięga: prasa angielska donosiła o tej strasznej tragedii. Co się dzieje — mordowanie, bombardowanie — żadnej litości.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2008.0,2028.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Nie mogłem nie wiedzieć. No przecież codziennie jakąś gazetę łapałem do łapy i czytałem przy śniadaniu czy przy innych rzeczach — prasa donosiła o tym. Tylko że to nie należało zupełnie do mojej misji.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2028.0,2047.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Professeur Karski, la dernière question — je ne parle pas de maintenant, de votre conception après des années, après une génération — mais au cours de votre mission transatlantique en Amérique aussi: est-ce que vous croyez que votre mission a eu un grand succès?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2047.0,2077.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: [FR] Ou un certain succès pour, disons, dans un","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2077.0,2092.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Czy pan mówi, jak ja czułem w czterdziestym trzecim roku? Czy pan mi zadaje pytanie, jak ja czuję w osiemdziesiątym drugim roku, dzisiaj?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2092.0,2104.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Jak pan mnie pyta, jak ja wtedy sobie wyobrażałem?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2104.0,2111.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] No wtedy: czuł pański wysiłek — pańska ofiara — była do rzeczy? Znaczy, był pan zadowolony z siebie, czy pan?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2111.0,2124.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Myślał, czuł, że cały ten wysiłek wielki nie miał wyników, poszedł na marne? Wtedy — nie teraz — wtedy. Nie jesteśmy zainteresowani historiozoficzną oceną, ale.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2124.0,2139.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Samopoczuciem emisariusza, który zrobił to niemożliwe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2139.0,2146.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Translator: [PL] Wtedy, wtedy — tylko wtedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2146.0,2150.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Znowuż panu muszę odpowiedzieć: ja nie myślałem o takich rzeczach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2150.0,2157.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Do września 43 roku. Ja byłem przekonany, że pojadę z powrotem do Polski w mojej piątej misji. Ja myślałem tylko o to, żeby przekazać te wszystkie materiały.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2157.0,2172.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Żeby w końcu dotrzeć znowuż do stronnictw politycznych, do generała Sikorskiego, do prezydenta i tak dalej — żeby dostać od nich instrukcje do przywiezienia do kraju. To było moim przedmiotem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2172.0,2191.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Czy ja miałem sukces, czy ja nie miałem sukcesu — to w ogóle było poza sferą moich zainteresowań. W całej wojnie to było poza sferą moich zainteresowań. Teraz drugie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2191.0,2205.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Ale we wrześniu wracam do Londynu — i już wtedy premier Mikołajczyk, [Sikorski nie żyje], powiedział mi: \"Pan już do Polski już nie — nie, nie wyślę pana w czasie wojny na pewną śmierć.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2205.0,2220.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Nie wiedzieli, co ze mną zrobić w Londynie. Pewnie oni chcieliby mnie wysłać na księżyc, gdyby mogli, bo ja tak dużo wiedziałem. Bali się, że zacznę opowiadać i tak dalej. No więc wysłali mnie do Stanów Zjednoczonych — jawnie. No i teraz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2220.0,2238.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562/transcript/92886/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jan Karski: [PL] Od września 43 roku do końca wojny. No teraz już miałem wrażenie. Mówiłem już otwarcie, mogłem się zastanawiać i tak dalej, no proszę pana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169136/file/307562#t=2238.0,2257.83483"}]}]}]}