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Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/164547/file/299641#t=3277.0,3278.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/164547/file/299641/transcript/88156/annotation/604","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Interviewer: To the British government.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/164547/file/299641#t=3278.0,3279.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/164547/file/299641/transcript/88156/annotation/605","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It was, first of all, saying there was a trade going on in 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