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Rajski: Un exemple d'information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=3.0,9.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je pense que cela constitue une date très importante.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=9.0,13.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est-à-dire la première fois où la presse clandestine, d'ailleurs il n'y avait pas d'autres moyens de communication, d'autres mass média qui informaient sur la situation des Juifs et sur ce qui se passe en Pologne dans les camps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=13.0,29.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Tout ce qu'on savait en France, qu'il y a eu les déportations, les premières déportations, à partir de la rafle du Vel' d'Hiv, le 16 juillet 42.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=29.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce qu'on savait aussi, c'était le terme consacré vers une destination 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Juifs, pour cacher les enfants juifs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=58.0,78.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et nous recevons une information incroyable que","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=78.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dans le camp de Pologne, les gens, les déportés qui arrivent, on les tue en arrivant, ou encore déjà dans les trains avant d'arriver dans le camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=87.0,99.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il n'était pas question ni des chambres à gaz, ni des fours crématoires, mais on parlait de gaz également.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=99.0,107.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Plus précisément, l'information parlait de 11 000 déportés de France, femmes, hommes, enfants, qui ont été 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abstraite.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=154.0,165.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il s'agissait des gens de France, il s'agissait peut-être des enfants ou des parents,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=165.0,173.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"ou des femmes, des gens qui vivent en France, de leur famille.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=173.0,179.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comment leur annoncer une telle nouvelle, encore n'étant pas très sûr de cette nouvelle-là, de la véracité ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=179.0,189.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En fin de compte, nous sommes décidés de la publier, tout en supposant également aussi que l'effet peut être désastreux, parce qu'il est très difficile à prévoir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=189.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Est-ce que ça va encourager au combat?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=200.0,202.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que notre but était en informant, plutôt de mobiliser les énergies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=202.0,207.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ça pouvait aussi se terminer par une paralysie de volonté même, c'est-à-dire par quelque chose, par une résignation ou par une acceptation de quelque chose, d'une fatalité.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=207.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et notre journal est sorti.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=224.0,228.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: C'est quelle date exactement?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=228.0,230.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A. Rajski: Là, il porte la date du 20 novembre 1942 en langue yiddish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=230.0,235.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le même journal, que je pourrais peut-être vous indiquer, en français, il sortait beaucoup plus vite, souvent, étant donné le moyen d'impression qui était plus facile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=235.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors ce journal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=246.0,246.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Les lignes les plus importantes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=246.0,248.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A. Rajski: Bon, alors voilà, donc la première ligne, je vous lis, je vous traduis bien sûr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=248.0,255.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En yiddish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=255.0,257.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"A. Rajski: \"Elfteusung deportirti, iedische manner freunenkinder, fabrand lebedig.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=257.0,268.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Dur die nazis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=268.0,270.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Soll unzage fiel füne komme, zirchzeflaker, ket deit schlung Stalke, del Blut duchsticke Hitler bestie, ket zutzein ihr e gilte kunsof.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=270.0,285.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Si vous permettez, je dois faire ici une petite remarque qui est très significative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=285.0,294.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nous avons décidé de ne pas dire qu'il s'agit de déportés de 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menaces-là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=571.0,575.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc maintenant, quelle est l'étendue d'une information ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=575.0,579.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est limité, il n'y a pas de 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c'était.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=653.0,657.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"possible, puisqu'ils ont inventé ce système.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=657.0,661.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc il faut dire que la grande difficulté était tout le long de la guerre, on répétait, on disait, et même des gens qui partaient, on ne pouvait pas y 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eu","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=743.0,745.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"dans notre service d'écoute qui fonctionnait, sur pas mal de radios, et on écoutait surtout en polonais, ou parfois dans d'autres langues, mais surtout en polonais, parce que c'était moins brouillé, les émissions de Radio Londres.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=745.0,763.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et à partir de là, on a eu l'information sur le soulèvement des ghettos de Varsovie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=763.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et déjà fin mai, ou vers le 15 mai, nous avons","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=770.0,774.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"lancé un journal, un tract, et jamais, pendant toute la période de la Résistance, on n'a pas édité autant de journaux, autant de tracts, en français et en yiddish, qu'au mois de mai et au mois de juin, et sur les ghettos de Varsovie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=774.0,795.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors d'abord, en ce qui concerne l'information, je dois dire que, bien sûr très brève,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=795.0,802.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais l'essentiel a été dit, et comme nous avons pu le constater après la guerre, les éléments de cette information étaient 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confirmait,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=851.0,857.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ces 40 000 Juifs étaient destinés à être déportés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=857.0,862.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est le moment où a éclaté la 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polonais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=868.0,878.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et encore, inutile de dire ce que ça signifiait en quantité et en qualité pour notre peuple, le judaïsme polonais,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=878.0,887.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il est devenu plus clair que la révolte des ghettos de Varsovie nous signifie à nous, veut nous signifier, que c'est le peuple entier qui est condamné 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l'honneur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=902.0,910.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais un militant, un combattant,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194#t=910.0,915.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169558/file/308194/transcript/93218/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nous avons bien sûr appuyé sur l'interprétation héroïque du ghetto et l'interprétation d'exemples, comment se 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