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Their mobilization for the fight against fascism began against the backdrop of the Spanish Civil War and the rise of Nazism. Their activities included urban guerrilla warfare, sabotage operations in factories that served the German army, assassinations of Vichy regime militia leaders, and participation in the uprising in the city of Villeurbanne. During the war, some of the activists were imprisoned in facilities such as Montluc and Eysses prisons and were under threat of deportation to extermination camps.\u003cbr\u003eThe witnesses also address the degree to which the fighters' contributions and Jewish identity were recognized in the official historical narrative of France after the war.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003e \u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eThe Ghetto Fighters' House Museum produced three documentary films known as The Documentary Trilogy. The films are: The 81st Blow (1974), The Last Sea (1979), and Flames in the Ashes (1985). 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les.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=18.0,28.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le nazisme par les réfugiés allemands déjà sur Paris, qu'on connaissait ce qu'était le nazisme par conscience politique, qu'on disait il fallait absolument sortir de là pour se battre, pour défendre sa propre vie déjà, et essayer de détruire le nazisme, c'était ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=28.0,46.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et dans 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c'est à dire la destruction des Juifs et ces jeunes qui sont venus après s'engager dans la lutte contre l'occupant allemand qui n'était pas communiste au départ et on en connait pas mal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=140.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Qui au départ n'étaient pas communistes, sans à la suite, ont adhéré au Parti communiste et ont continué à se 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chefs, les premiers résistants, lorsque on prend des gens retour pour l'essentiel, et j'y reviens parce que c'est là qu'est née, je répète, non pas la résistance immigrée.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=211.0,230.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"La résistance française est née de ceux qui sont revenus de la guerre civile d'Espagne, des anciennes des brigades internationales, lorsqu'on prend un des créateurs ou le ou 2 des créateurs du 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si.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=352.0,352.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Après la libération, il y en a eu beaucoup plus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=352.0,354.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Après la libération, il y a eu beaucoup plus de 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armes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=374.0,375.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nous étions très loin de compte d'avoir 15 divisions en armes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=375.0,379.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Pour reprendre, en ce qui concerne Carmagnole, je parle de Carmagnole proprement 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?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=401.0,404.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peut-être encercler une ville, rafle, et cetera,.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=404.0,408.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"de façon à ne pas se faire prendre dans ces choses-là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=408.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le jour même, nous avons quitté, je répète, si ma mémoire est bonne, c'était 36 lorsque nous avons rejoint le maquis, sur lesquels ce jour-là, je dis bien ce jour-là, car nous avons évoqué tout à l'heure avec mon camarade Tricher les statistiques en disant que les statistiques sont ridicules.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=410.0,428.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"En ce sens que le 6 juin, c'était une chose, le 15 juin, c'était une autre, et 15 jours avant, c'était une autre chose encore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=428.0,436.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais le 6 juin, il y avait environ 30 à 35% de Goye et le reste, c'était des Juifs lorsque nous avons rejoint le 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que.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=453.0,455.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on va vous dire à cette époque-là, lui il vient de dire 36 personnes ou 38 personnes ou 40 personnes le 6 juin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=455.0,463.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce qu'il faut dire, c'est que les hommes se sont succédés 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homologuées à la région militaire, on a fait le gros travail de la résistance, qu'elle ait été nombreuse, peu nombreuse, juive ou non juive, mais elle a été juive, cette résistance dans les villes et l'ensemble des attentats individuels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=548.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Difficile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=574.0,574.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On peut pas être, on n'est 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l'histoire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=593.0,595.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On cherche et il y a longtemps qu'on cherche à nous enlever cet héritage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=595.0,598.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et on peut pas parler de que même si un responsable, un responsable national dit il y avait pas, il y avait pas, qui a fait ça?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=598.0,606.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=606.0,607.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Eux l'ont pas fait, les autres l'ont pas fait, nous l'avons fait et si nous l'avons fait, nous l'avons fait dans l'ensemble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=607.0,612.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Globalement, si on enlèverait pas grand-chose, et c'était les Juifs dans les villes qui l'ont fait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=612.0,619.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Emile Jacobovitch: Je voudrais préciser une chose pour vous donner un exemple, la 35e brigade à Toulouse a été créée par Marcel 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unique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=682.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oui, mais alors là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=683.0,684.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Est-ce que tu y étais d'abord 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Oui.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=694.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il est très difficile de parler de la révolte d'Es.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190#t=694.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169554/file/308190/transcript/93201/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je crois y a beaucoup plus de camarades qui de la centrale d'Es qui sont mieux plus qualifiés que moi de le 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