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He relates that his worldview was Communist and that he did not understand Zionist ideology, nor did he feel a special connection to Judaism despite his Jewish roots.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eAs part of his work, he was sent in the summer of 1947 to Port-de-Bouc, France, to cover the affair of the deportation ships of the \"Exodus\" Ma’apilim (illegal immigrants to Eretz Israel). The sights revealed to his eyes affected him profoundly. In his testimony, Derogy expresses how impressed he was with the resistance activities of the Ma'apilim, which lasted for three months, especially considering the harsh conditions on the ship and the severe weather conditions.\u003c/p\u003e\r\n\u003cp\u003eIn his testimony, he speaks about the journalistic work, which included, among other things, working undercover and maintaining ties with members of the Haganah (pre-state military force in Eretz Israel). 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bien.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=5.0,9.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Bon, alors, on peut commencer quand même.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=9.0,12.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jacques Derogy: Mais on peut le faire aussi un autre 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ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=18.0,19.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il faut voir que l'aiguille bouge.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=19.0,22.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oui, 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mer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=351.0,352.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Armorin a pris un petit avion, je me rappelle, parce que lui essayait de piquer vers le sud pour voir l'arrivée de ces.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=352.0,359.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et finalement, il a vu arriver de loin cette flotte, puisqu'il y avait trois bateaux-cages, mais il y avait aussi des bateaux de l'amirauté britannique qui escortaient ces navires, jusqu'à l'arrivée des eaux territoriales françaises.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=359.0,372.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et là, une fois les eaux françaises, seulement les grands bateaux-cages qui sont venus en rade de Port-de-Bouc.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=372.0,376.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors déjà, c'était un spectacle assez 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canicule.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=388.0,392.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vous savez ce que c'est la canicule ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=392.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Canicule, ça veut dire l'extrême chaleur.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=394.0,396.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Une chaleur comme je ne l'avais jamais connue, mais vraiment, tout fondait.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=396.0,400.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il faisait je ne sais plus combien.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=400.0,401.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On battait le record de température, de hausse de température.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=401.0,405.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Une chaleur 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d'approcher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=413.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enfin, mais quand même, on avait réussi à approcher un peu et on voyait ces gens accrochés aux grilles comme ça, qui disaient, rien qu'un rien qu'une soif, enfin vraiment, avec la chaleur qu'il faisait, on disait, mais qu'est ce comment ils vont tenir dessus, ils vont-ils vont les descendre, ils vont dégringoler, et ce qui a été 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décidez.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=474.0,480.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le français n'obligera pas les gens à descendre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=480.0,483.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ça, c'était très frappant de savoir que 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non, ils ne descendraient pas.\" Alors on a vu quand même descendre quelques malades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=493.0,502.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Effectivement, le deuxième jour, le troisième jour, on a vu des gens descendre avec des brancards, les médecins aller les chercher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=502.0,509.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais je crois que ça a duré trois semaines comme ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=509.0,512.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et en trois semaines, je donne le chiffre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=512.0,514.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je ne me rappelle plus maintenant le chiffre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=514.0,517.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"De combien de gens sont descendus ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=517.0,518.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Peut-être 38 ou 40, je ne sais plus, quelque chose comme ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=518.0,521.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"38 38 personnes sur 1500.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=521.0,525.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'était quand même absolument fantastique, fantastique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=525.0,529.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors évidemment, nous, notre grande idée, c'était d'essayer de monter sur ces bateaux.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=529.0,533.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On savait que on interdisait tout à fait l'accès des journalistes à 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une blouse et avec la complicité des gens, de la, disons, de la, il y avait les éclaireurs, comment on appelle ça, les éclaireurs juifs israélites, éclaireurs israélites, comme l'organisation de scouts israélites avec des médecins israélites qui étaient là, des jeunes internes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=544.0,569.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"qui avait pu monter à bord avec la Croix-Rouge, avec la délégation des médecins français, 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cetera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=625.0,634.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et pendant ce temps-là, il y avait cette scène absolument abominable de ces 3 bateaux, cages et des gens qui alors que qu'on commençait à ravitailler parce qu'il a bien fallu organiser le ravitaillement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=634.0,645.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors, par les ravitaillements, les gens qui revenaient avec des 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cages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=653.0,665.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Puis alors un beau jour, on a su que les Britanniques renonçaient parce que d'abord, le gouvernement français, on savait qu'il commençait à protester, à dire c'est pas possible, ça ne va pas durer comme ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=665.0,675.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce scandale, c'est quand même un peu scandaleux dans les eaux territoriales françaises.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=675.0,679.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bon, si des gens ne veulent pas descendre, ça ne va pas durer comme ça 107 ans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=679.0,683.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enfin, tout de même, la souveraineté française est là.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=683.0,687.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ils disaient aux Britanniques, il faut que vous trouviez une solution, mais ça ne peut pas durer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=687.0,690.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors bon, à la fin, les Anglais ont avancé.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=690.0,692.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc on a appris qu'ils partaient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=692.0,694.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors quand on a appris, au départ, on a d'abord raconté qu'ils allaient en Afrique.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=694.0,699.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y a les bruits les plus extraordinaires qui couraient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=699.0,702.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ils vont à Gibraltar, ou bien ils vont en Afrique, ils vont au Kenya, n'importe quoi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=702.0,707.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais on a su assez rapidement quand même que la destination c'était Hambourg, c'est à dire qu'ils retournaient en Allemagne.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=707.0,713.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc alors après ils sont partis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=713.0,714.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors aucun journaliste n'a pu les suivre leur départ 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parqués dans des derrière des grilles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=719.0,736.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est eux qui étaient derrière des grilles pour assister à ce comment on renforce ce que je raconte, bien sûr.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=736.0,742.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bon, ce qui était vraiment que c'est un souvenir pour moi des gens à double titre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=742.0,749.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"D'abord, comme jeune reporter, assister à un événement aussi fabuleux, j'ai vu beaucoup de tragédies, beaucoup de choses dans la vie de journaliste, mais c'est tout d'abord la première que je voyais, donc c'est la plus forte impression que je pouvais avoir comme journaliste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=749.0,764.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et d'une tragédie pareille, je n'en ai pas vu d'équivalente.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=764.0,768.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Donc c'est quelque chose qui m'a marqué profondément, déjà à titre professionnel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=768.0,773.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Deuxièmement, en tant que juif, qui ne voulait pas se reconnaître comme juif, puisque","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=773.0,778.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Comme communiste, je disais que la question juive n'a aucune espèce d'importance 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organisation de résistance juive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=789.0,802.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et qui me dit, il était là, pour le journal, \"Notre Parole\", je ne sais pas quel journal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=802.0,810.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et qui me dit \"Dorangy, vous êtes juif, vous ?\" Je lui ai dit \"Non\", à 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Juifs et par les communistes aussi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=843.0,853.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Parce que là, je trouvais qu'il y avait une solidarité révolutionnaire, c'était plus ça que je sentais à l'époque.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=853.0,858.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"qu'une solidarité de Juif, puisque je ne savais pas ce que ça voulait dire un 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les.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=864.0,870.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Attends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=870.0,879.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jacques Derogy: Une affiche ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=879.0,880.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oui, l'affiche derrière, oui, voilà.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=880.0,882.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Voilà, c'est ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=882.0,883.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oui, alors voilà, c'était un tract qui était c'était pas une affiche, c'était plutôt un tract encadré de tricolore qui a été distribué à Marseille le 27 juillet, c'est-à-dire la l'avant-veille de l'arrivée des bateaux-cages à port de Bouc.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=883.0,895.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et ça a été distribué à la fois par des militants juifs et des militants communistes, français, françaises, à tous ceux qui ont, 4 années durant, souffert de l'oppression nazie, nous lançons cet appel 4500 hommes, femmes, enfants et nourrissons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=895.0,911.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"rescapés des chambres à gaz et des fours crématoires, ont été brutalement assaillis par la Royal Navy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=911.0,917.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Nombreux morts et blessés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=917.0,920.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Refoulés de Palestine, ils arrivent dans la nuit de lundi à mardi à Port-de-Bouc, dans trois prisons flottantes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=920.0,925.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le gouvernement français s'est généreusement offert pour les accueillir, mais en leur laissant le libre choix de leur décision.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=925.0,932.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Cependant, la Royal Navy est décidée à employer la force brutale pour obliger les malheureux à débarquer contre leur volonté nettement exprimée.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=932.0,940.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Vous tous, à qui les libertés humaines sont chères, venez protester avec nous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=940.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Rendez-vous en masse mardi matin à Port-de-Bouc.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=946.0,949.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'était une manifestation de masse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=949.0,951.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il y avait en dessous, des cartes seront à votre libre disposition à partir de 6 heures du matin sur la grande place derrière la bourse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=951.0,960.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Qu'est-ce qui s'est passé là?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=960.0,962.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jacques Derogy: Ils sont venus manifester.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=962.0,964.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: Combien des milliers ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=964.0,965.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oui, des milliers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=965.0,965.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Enfin, je sais qu'il.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=965.0,966.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jacques Derogy: Y avait grand nombre de gens, il y avait des CRS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=966.0,968.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"On avait amené des CRS pour empêcher le débarquement de la manifestation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=968.0,974.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais cette manifestation là était patronnée par le député maire de Port de Bouc, qui était député maire communiste, qui s'appelle Rieubon et qui est toujours 30 ans après député maire communiste de 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tard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1068.0,1070.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ce n'est pas les Indus que je me suis découvert juif, bien que là, j'ai senti quelque chose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1070.0,1074.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"passé, mais j'essayais rationnellement, idéologiquement, d'attribuer ça à une solidarité de résistance ou de solidarité 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c'est?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1108.0,1109.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jacques Derogy: C'est une chanson de Vincent Scotto, qui est un compositeur marseillais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1109.0,1114.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et je pense que celui qui chantait ça, c'était Andrex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1114.0,1118.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est ça le chanteur marseillais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1118.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Je pense qu'on devrait retrouver cette chanson d'Andrex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1120.0,1123.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Intervieweur: C'était un haut-parleur de.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1123.0,1125.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Jacques Derogy: Oui, parce qu'il y avait des cafés qui étaient là, le bistrot par exemple sur lequel j'avais écrit ce poème, tout ça.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1125.0,1131.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors c'était des bistrots, c'est-à-dire, il faut voir ce que c'était, avec la chaleur fantastique qu'ils faisaient, tout le monde était en plein air, sur les terrasses des bistrots, ou par terre, ou dans l'herbe, ou sous les platanes, parce qu'il y avait des platanes, les places de 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disques.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1151.0,1153.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et c'était les chansons à la mode.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1153.0,1154.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Alors Vincent Scotto, qui vivait encore à l'époque, était le grand compositeur de chansons de Marseille, grand compositeur marseillais.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1154.0,1162.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"C'est un peu comme le Pagnol de la chanson dans Vincent Scotto.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1162.0,1165.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"D'ailleurs, c'est lui qui faisait la musique des films de 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poussent les fleurs, sur le sol égal et lisse, sur le sol offert à toutes les ombres, sur le sol moulé à toutes les libertés, sur la terre pleine de morts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1205.0,1225.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Bleu le ciel, bleu la mer, bleu l'uniforme des gendarmes qui sont là pour ne pas intervenir, et bleus les yeux de 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hommes, ils tirent sur leurs pipes droites et longues, ils tirent sur les pailles des gin fees et ils tirent encore leur chapeau par politesse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1235.0,1254.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Les autres sont tous des étrangers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1254.0,1257.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Ils ont beau se regarder dans les yeux, tendre l'oreille, faire signe, ils ont beau donner 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glacés.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1301.0,1309.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Mais le cauchemar était vivant, de l'autre côté de la passe, tenace au fond des cales, dans des cages,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1309.0,1315.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Où l'on apprivoise la liberté, sur la mer où l'on dort mal, sur la mer où flotte l'écume, sur les flots noirs de l'amerturme, sur les flots privés de lumière, sur les flots denses et sans limites, sur les flots d'efforts de vie, sur la mer sans repos pour les morts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1315.0,1329.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Il n'y a pas de mer promise, il faut que la mer se retire au passage d'un peuple en marche, autour de la terre ingrate, avec escale à tous les pores et barbelés à toute 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souffrances sur vos épaules de jeunes filles, votre conte à rendre l'histoire, votre passé jamais oublié, jamais renié, votre lourde passion à alourdira encore de nouvelles visions d'horreur et d'une éternelle attente.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1343.0,1362.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Et tout est rentré dans l'ordre.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206#t=1362.0,1364.0"},{"id":"https://gfhorgil.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2950/collection_resources/169570/file/308206/transcript/93244/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Le porc, le pétrole, 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